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		<title>Comment on Should Pastors Rule the Church? by youthcafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>youthcafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God calls Christians to submit to their church leadership who are assumed to be spiritual leaders fulfilling their biblical responsibilities. That is why He gave us qualifications to use as guidelines for selecting church leaders in 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9 and why He told us what these leaders should be doing. 

They are to "work hard at preaching and teaching" and they are to "rule well." The Greek word for "work hard" has the idea of agonizing in their study of God's Word and their preparation for teaching and preaching. Pastors and leaders who have little depth in their message or come unprepared are guilty of not "working hard" and, even worse, they are not spiritually growing as a result of not being in the Word very much. Many pastors will admit they start preparing Saturday night for the Sunday morning sermon and due to experience, their Sunday morning messages appear good. God says the one who works hard, the one who agonizes, the one who grows tired in the study of the Word is the one who should be honored!

The second major responsibility of church leaders is to "rule well." The word literally means ‘standing before.’ It has the idea of someone being in charge. In Hebrews 13:17 the Greek words for "obey" and "submit" have the idea of "to be persuaded" and “yield, give way, or submit to someone’s authority.”

The person in this case is a spiritual leader. This is a command and Hebrews 13:7 tells us to "imitate" or "mimic" these leaders only after we consider their Christian faith. This means their walk with God and their doctrine is consistent with scripture. This includes their lifestyle and spiritual maturity (the result of their conduct).

I heard of a pastor who was in the middle of a controversy within his church. He was apparently the central issue. Upon being confronted by a church member he told this member that to disobey him was to disobey the Holy Spirit. It should remind us of 1 Peter 5:3,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock." - &lt;strong&gt;1 Peter 5:3&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The word for "lording" comes from the Greek word "kurios" which the New Testament uses for "lord." We use it for the name of Jesus - our Lord Jesus. Spiritual leaders are not to act as a lord, master, boss, or supervisor. 

As we saw in  Hebrews 13:17 above, we are to submit to the Word of Truth that our leaders teach us. We are also to submit to our leaders as they implement church discipline as outlined in Matthew 18:15-20. Scripture also encourages us to mimic the godly faith of our leaders (Heb. 13:7). Finally, we are to submit to the administrative guidelines and regulations of the church as outlined by our leaders because God has given them the responsibility of ruling well.

But there are exceptions! We are told to reject false teachers (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 John 1:7-11). We are told to discipline leaders who sin according to 1 Timothy 5:19-21 (see the example in Gal. 2:11-15). Hebrews 13:7 also implies that if a leader's life or conduct does not demonstrate godly faith, we are not to follow him. Obedience is not blind. Our leaders are accountable too!
 
Conclusion: Jesus' idea of leadership is to serve others - not to be served. We humans are funny creatures who always seem to want to control others. Listen to Jesus' words,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." &lt;strong&gt;Matthew 20:25-28&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jesus calls church leaders to humility. Would it not be wonderful if church leaders started voluntarily resigning when and if they became disqualified due to sin in their life. That would spiritually transform churches and glorify God!

source:neverthirsty.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God calls Christians to submit to their church leadership who are assumed to be spiritual leaders fulfilling their biblical responsibilities. That is why He gave us qualifications to use as guidelines for selecting church leaders in 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9 and why He told us what these leaders should be doing. </p>
<p>They are to &#8220;work hard at preaching and teaching&#8221; and they are to &#8220;rule well.&#8221; The Greek word for &#8220;work hard&#8221; has the idea of agonizing in their study of God&#8217;s Word and their preparation for teaching and preaching. Pastors and leaders who have little depth in their message or come unprepared are guilty of not &#8220;working hard&#8221; and, even worse, they are not spiritually growing as a result of not being in the Word very much. Many pastors will admit they start preparing Saturday night for the Sunday morning sermon and due to experience, their Sunday morning messages appear good. God says the one who works hard, the one who agonizes, the one who grows tired in the study of the Word is the one who should be honored!</p>
<p>The second major responsibility of church leaders is to &#8220;rule well.&#8221; The word literally means ‘standing before.’ It has the idea of someone being in charge. In Hebrews 13:17 the Greek words for &#8220;obey&#8221; and &#8220;submit&#8221; have the idea of &#8220;to be persuaded&#8221; and “yield, give way, or submit to someone’s authority.”</p>
<p>The person in this case is a spiritual leader. This is a command and Hebrews 13:7 tells us to &#8220;imitate&#8221; or &#8220;mimic&#8221; these leaders only after we consider their Christian faith. This means their walk with God and their doctrine is consistent with scripture. This includes their lifestyle and spiritual maturity (the result of their conduct).</p>
<p>I heard of a pastor who was in the middle of a controversy within his church. He was apparently the central issue. Upon being confronted by a church member he told this member that to disobey him was to disobey the Holy Spirit. It should remind us of 1 Peter 5:3,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Neither as being lords over God&#8217;s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.&#8221; - <strong>1 Peter 5:3</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>The word for &#8220;lording&#8221; comes from the Greek word &#8220;kurios&#8221; which the New Testament uses for &#8220;lord.&#8221; We use it for the name of Jesus - our Lord Jesus. Spiritual leaders are not to act as a lord, master, boss, or supervisor. </p>
<p>As we saw in  Hebrews 13:17 above, we are to submit to the Word of Truth that our leaders teach us. We are also to submit to our leaders as they implement church discipline as outlined in Matthew 18:15-20. Scripture also encourages us to mimic the godly faith of our leaders (Heb. 13:7). Finally, we are to submit to the administrative guidelines and regulations of the church as outlined by our leaders because God has given them the responsibility of ruling well.</p>
<p>But there are exceptions! We are told to reject false teachers (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 John 1:7-11). We are told to discipline leaders who sin according to 1 Timothy 5:19-21 (see the example in Gal. 2:11-15). Hebrews 13:7 also implies that if a leader&#8217;s life or conduct does not demonstrate godly faith, we are not to follow him. Obedience is not blind. Our leaders are accountable too!</p>
<p>Conclusion: Jesus&#8217; idea of leadership is to serve others - not to be served. We humans are funny creatures who always seem to want to control others. Listen to Jesus&#8217; words,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.&#8221; <strong>Matthew 20:25-28</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus calls church leaders to humility. Would it not be wonderful if church leaders started voluntarily resigning when and if they became disqualified due to sin in their life. That would spiritually transform churches and glorify God!</p>
<p>source:neverthirsty.org</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should Pastors Rule the Church? by diane brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>diane brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was raised up in the church and lately I am very confused about if the pastor has all the power in the church. I just want to know if the chain of command is the Father, Son , Holy Spirit and the Pastor or the Deacons. I would appreciate if you could E- mail me this answer as soon as possible. I need to know this so I can get a peace of mind and enjoy church servce. I would appreciate if you send me an  answer as soon as possible, Thank You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was raised up in the church and lately I am very confused about if the pastor has all the power in the church. I just want to know if the chain of command is the Father, Son , Holy Spirit and the Pastor or the Deacons. I would appreciate if you could E- mail me this answer as soon as possible. I need to know this so I can get a peace of mind and enjoy church servce. I would appreciate if you send me an  answer as soon as possible, Thank You</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should Pastors Rule the Church? by Pastor Earnest Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.youthcafeonline.com/2008/03/should-pastors-rule-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Earnest Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in a church where the pastor took total control over every program. When my wife and I move from PA to VA, we wanted to started a outreach program in the church. We wanted to do this because this is what we did in PA. But we were shot down. The reason he say that he have someone working on that. Well, it have been one year and it never happened. One deacon was doing prison ministry,to me this was his calling, but the pastor stop that too. He took all the authority from the deacons.  He even went so far to elected the trustees. Those whom would help him gain more power. I wanted to teach Sunday School and Bible study classes, that too was shot down.  My wife and I talked things over and pray about starting an outreach program on our own with God's blessing.  HE now send us to different churches to learn and teach what not to do in order that we can glorify Him through our King Jesus Christ. It's a blessing to do God's will and not our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a church where the pastor took total control over every program. When my wife and I move from PA to VA, we wanted to started a outreach program in the church. We wanted to do this because this is what we did in PA. But we were shot down. The reason he say that he have someone working on that. Well, it have been one year and it never happened. One deacon was doing prison ministry,to me this was his calling, but the pastor stop that too. He took all the authority from the deacons.  He even went so far to elected the trustees. Those whom would help him gain more power. I wanted to teach Sunday School and Bible study classes, that too was shot down.  My wife and I talked things over and pray about starting an outreach program on our own with God&#8217;s blessing.  HE now send us to different churches to learn and teach what not to do in order that we can glorify Him through our King Jesus Christ. It&#8217;s a blessing to do God&#8217;s will and not our own.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should Pastors Rule the Church? by youthcafe</title>
		<link>http://www.youthcafeonline.com/2008/03/should-pastors-rule-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>youthcafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a very sad thing to hear. What I can suggest is that you start looking for a church where the pastor is under God's word and not above and also has accountability to the church and not the other way around. "Ye shall know them by their fruits". 

We also should never forget the Jesus said in Matthew 7:7. "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"

I pray that you'll find a better church in due time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very sad thing to hear. What I can suggest is that you start looking for a church where the pastor is under God&#8217;s word and not above and also has accountability to the church and not the other way around. &#8220;Ye shall know them by their fruits&#8221;. </p>
<p>We also should never forget the Jesus said in Matthew 7:7. &#8220;Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:&#8221;</p>
<p>I pray that you&#8217;ll find a better church in due time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should Pastors Rule the Church? by Radioflyer45</title>
		<link>http://www.youthcafeonline.com/2008/03/should-pastors-rule-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Radioflyer45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are presnetly in a church where the Pastor has total
control of the body. He doesn't allow any type ministries 
in the church. He says they are a breeding ground for alot of controversary. We are very concerned and he wants me to teach a sunday school class declaring the pastor is to be supreme ruler in the church and have all
say as to what goes on. Can you give me some advice what I should do? I have no peace about the church now can you help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are presnetly in a church where the Pastor has total<br />
control of the body. He doesn&#8217;t allow any type ministries<br />
in the church. He says they are a breeding ground for alot of controversary. We are very concerned and he wants me to teach a sunday school class declaring the pastor is to be supreme ruler in the church and have all<br />
say as to what goes on. Can you give me some advice what I should do? I have no peace about the church now can you help?</p>
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